The rules about touching the muck are usually quite strict and very firmly enforced, to prevent the "accidental" mixing of cards from a discarded hand with other discards. This is why players who sit in a seat next to the dealer must be extremely careful in handling their cards to ensure that they never touch the muck. Generally, poker rules hold that if a player's card touches any card in the muck in an unprotected fashion, the player's card and hand is declared dead and must be immediately mucked, as if the player had folded. Generally, burn cards are not mucked they are kept in a separate pile of discards and may even end up being used in subsequent play in the hand (see 7-Stud). When you call a bet on the river, for example, and your opponent shows you a hand that beats you, you have the option of. To muck a hand or a card is to toss it into the pile of discards. It is kept in front of the dealer, facedown, and generally on the same side of the table as the hand where the dealer holds the undealt deck. And that's a very big problem if you are off by =>$15 now the dealer is back and catching up w/ the action and HERO-GUY's mistake of miscounting ("$265 total" = guy who spoke up is way way in the wrong).The muck is the pile of discarded cards kept by the dealer during the course of a hand of poker. If you have problems with gambling addiction, PLEASE contact here - or call - 18005224700. Things like noticing a player is trying to get the dealer's attention for a stack-count and instead of nudging the dealer a player gets to play pretend dealer and since he had been paying attention he knew it was about $300 left in his stack so it just comes out. All content herein is intended for audiences aged 21 years and older. However, the term muck can also be used to describe a fold at any point in a hand (since we perform the same action of sliding our cards back to the dealer). Primarily this happens at showdown our hand has lost and we slide our cards back to the dealer without showing the table. But seriously there's rarely a time that players outside of the hand in progress should be augmenting the process of OTHER players playing out theirs. Muck means to return our hole cards to the dealer, usually without showing. They're equal because they're all coming from a source of pure guessing and zero hard info but THAT GUY has all the info. Or WAS it a bluff? The 4bet could be a level or fantastic timing but do you see how we already have 3 relatively equal likelihoods for his range.
The reason is because we all have/lack (interesting english language moment where "have" = "lack" in context.) the SAME information so there's no one 2 hours later cold 4betting because he saw that the 3bettor was the earlier mucked hand and apparently it was a bluff allowing this guy to pull the 4bet trigger. I don't care if a dude mucks his hand in a tournament and we were supposed to be able to see it but the dealer didn't enforce the rule so we don't. Personally, I can't stop myself from requesting to see a SEEN hand - one which a player shows his buddy-pal next to him before hopelessly attempting to muck his hand only to get swatted all Dwayne Howard style by me. Second) if the dealer enters the table under the impression that "in tournament, no hand muck," which is only about 1/4 of dealers at WSOP since they're all under-trained and from all over the country where rules are again different from state to state, cash to tournament. It's just incredibly annoying/douchey and bothers everyone at the table whether it was your mucked cards or not. What it actually comes down to is first) A fast-acting rule-knowing player who really wants to see a mucked hand after he or someone else calls is within their rights to do that.
So FYI, the WSOP changes this back and forth year-to-year almost. As the PokerNews article I linked to suggests, maybe the director would assess a penalty, but maybe not. "If there was a river bet, any caller has an inalienable right to see the last aggressor’s hand on request (“the hand he paid to see”) provided the caller retains or has tabled his cards." It's unclear what recourse the caller has if the bettor irretrievably mucks anyway, despite the request to see the cards.
If player 1's river bet was not all-in and was called, rule 17B says the caller now has a right to see the bettor's hand.No player who is either all-in or has called all betting action may muck his hand without tabling." This is TDA rule 15: "All hands will be tabled without delay once a player is all-in and all betting action by all other players in the hand is complete. If player 1 is all-in and called by player 2, then everyone must show their cards. There were some changes made in 2015 to the TDA rules that affect who has to show cards and when. This answer is relevant to tournaments that are using TDA rules. You don't specify whether you mean cash game or tournament, so YMMV here.
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